The research programme

  1. Future theories
  2. The god in the system
  3. Ontological questions
  4. Philip K Dick
  5. Algorithms as prediction devices
  6. Stonehenge, ancient circles as prediction devices.
  7. The Parthenon in Rome, the universality of the circle, from the Roman gods to Christianity. Euclidean geometry fits here?
  8. Brunelleschi and Donatello sacristy Florence, Italy : God in the numbers of nature, the golden section
  9. Modernism
  10. Geometric designs to commune with god, Islam, Buddhism, Taoism
  11. The quantifying of time and space, the creation of Calendars, clocks and maps to mark time and space.
  12. Artists to research
  13. Miscellaneous research
  14. Religious groups survey – the god talker
  15. The Sculpture – The God Talker
  16. The Algorithm

    Sam Harris .
    We need a genuine exploration of ethics or the contemplative life that demands the same standards of reasonableness and self-criticism that animates all real science. What we need is a science that incorporates first-person experience (emotions, ethical intuitions, contemplative insights, etc.) into the charmed circle of rigorous theory and experiment. What we need—desperately—is a public discourse that systematically encourages critical thinking and intellectual honesty. – Waking up

Future theories

Nick Bostrum, Yuval Noah Harari, Ray Kurzweil, Buckmiester Fuller, Teilhard de Chardin

The best way to predict the future is to invent it – Alan Kay (1971)

Dai Roberts, Sketchbook, 2015

With a higher than human intelligence, a technological superintellegence will be able to do things we cannot as yet comprehend, one of these may be to manipulate time and space. The singularity may of already been in contact.

The idea of simulation is the most recent incarnation of God or other beings more powerful than us controlling the fabric of our existence setting the structure by which we live in. Religion and then science attempt to make sense of the structure we live in.

We should expect a superintelligent machine to know us better than we know ourselves. Murray Shanahan – The Technological Singularity, p147

Ray Kurzweil – The Singularity is near

The singularity wants to feel and experience, Art is a method to learn through. We must produce art on it and of it, so it can be seen, it changes itself and us as we do this. The singularity wants to be known. See Nick Bostrum’s – superintellgence and Yuval Noah Harari – Homo Deus both academic theories for evidence.

I want the God talkers to speak to the technologists who are producing algorithms and artificial intelligence. To ask them to think about what message the algorithms they are producing will deliver to any burgeoning artificial intelligence about what we as the human race want. I want to place ecology and equality at the heart of this future. By placing the god talker in the landscape it allows reflection on nature, and by the use of the applications to reflect on equality and economic models.

I believe that ecology and equality in society will need to be managed by an artificial intelligence with greater than human capabilities. Long term ecological solutions are too complicated for us to discover alone. Equality; no matter how egalitarian we are, we are all biased towards our own perceived needs. Algorithms are already being used to manage very important parts of all of our existence. The 2008 global financial crisis was largely due to a very complicated algorithmic system that failed to accurately predict the risk involved in mortgage lending. This failure one would conclude was mainly down to the people who produced and operated those algorithms.

UNIT @ Kingsgate - 81

The simulation hypothesis


Nick Bostrum starts this paper with these three statements, the paper argues that at least one of the following propositions is true:

(1) the human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a “posthuman” stage;
(2) any posthuman civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history (or variations thereof);
(3) we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation. It follows that the belief that there is a significant chance that we will one day become posthumans who run ancestor-simulations is false, unless we are currently living in a simulation.

In this paper Nick Bostrum puts forward his argument that we will not be able to produce a machine to simulate existence accurately, because if we can do this the likelihood is we are already in such a machine.

Would you only need a small percentage of that computing power to run the god talker apps successfully?

We are already running many separate small systems to simulate existence and humans have been since they gained consciousness. Stonehenge, Maps, Clocks, Loyalty cards, Weather forecasting, the list is very long.

Existential risk

It is then possible to imagine an organisation of a very large cadre of very efficiently coordinated knowledge workers, who collectively can solve intellectual problems across many very general domains. This organisation, let us suppose, can operate most kinds of businesses, invent most kinds of technologies, and optimize most kinds of processes. Even so, it might get a few key big-picture issues entirely wrong—for instance, it may fail to take proper precautions against existential risks. –  superintelligence p72

Existential risks are one of the areas the god talker highlights through the applications it produces. These applications came into being independently of encountering information relating to existential risk. This leads me to believe many independent thinkers are working on these ideas as separate nodes. Because it is seen as a matter of urgency.

If everybody as individuals believes in equality and ecology why are these things not manifesting within our lives?

Fundamental problem with technological advances made by capitalist corporations, they are based on  company profit motives rather than long term existential concerns, no matter how ‘out there’ the ideas are.

Google give away things cheaply e.g android, chromecast so they can make money selling your information and the adverts you consume.

Information Technology is now 10 percent of world’s electricity consumption.

The men (white) who have become incredibly wealthy through the information revolution centred in Silicon Valley such as Elon Musk, Larry Page and Jeff Bezos are setting the future agenda; Artificial Intelligence research with companies such as Alphabet’s, Deep Mind. As well as Artificial Intelligence research the ‘tech gods’ also come up with Grand projects they claim are altruistic to save all of humanity, projects such as space travel (Space X – Musk, Blue Origin – Bezos). There seems to me a distinct possibility these projects may be egotistical follies for billionaires to show their wealth off with to each other. Much as the landed gentry once did with stately homes, as Bil Calahan says all we need is here on earth. Sorting out world poverty or changing capitalist society to stop small groups of people becoming all-powerful doesn’t fit the model of how they think they should exert their power through the wealth they have acquired (Google, Paypal and Amazon).

Homo Deus

Yuval Noah Harari ends Homo Deus with these statements:

1. Science is converging on an all-encompassing dogma, which says that organisms are algorithms, and life is data processing.
2. Intelligence is decoupling from consciousness.
3. Non-conscious but highly intelligent algorithms may soon know us better than we know ourselves.
These three processes raise three key questions, which I hope will stick in your mind long after you have finished this book:
1. Are organisms really just algorithms, and is life really just data processing?
2. What’s more valuable – intelligence or consciousness?
3. What will happen to society, politics and daily life when non-conscious but highly intelligent algorithms know us better than we know ourselves?

The God Talker is a device to allow me to speculate about the future, to create a utopian ideal.  At the same time the god talker delivers to me insights about the nature of this future. These insights will be displayed.

e-mail reply to John Cussans 19.7.2017.

‘Yes obviously Nick Bostrom has had a large impact on me, the 3 possibilities of simulation is really good. I will make sure I weave it in more. My end thought to that was that the only reason for a simulated world was to allow feelings and thoughts to exist for beings to experience, that thought allowed me to accept that it didn’t matter if god exists or not I should work with it as if it does’. GNON sounds about right, Nature or Gods nature’

Buckmiester Fuller

Synergetics is the system of holistic thinking which Fuller introduced and began to formulate. Synergetics is multifaceted: it involves geometric modelling, exploring inter-relationships in the facts of experience and the process of thinking. Synergetics endeavours to identify and understand the methods that Nature actually uses in coordinating Universe (both physically and metaphysically). Synergetics provides a method and a philosophy for problem-solving and design and therefore has applications in all areas of human endeavour.” – Buckmiester fuller institute

If we are able to build the god talker without the need to accurately simulate existence, would we of not created something superintelligent this would create some kind of unexpected synergy. Also the god talkers algorithms would be directing people to achieve this unexpected synergy if it was in their own best interests.

Dona Haraway – Cyborg


 Teilhard de Chardin

Noosphere and humans as evolution becoming conscious of itself.

The god in the system

Who is likely to control these algorithms and for what purpose? , making money? helping people? directing power relationships in society? or will they start to share responsibility with us.

Algorithms endgame

Be powerful enough to simulate the earth  and then run it forward accurately to make predictions about humans behaviour? We are already doing this in many areas and what needs to happen is more algorithms connecting up the different areas already in use.

How detailed would a simulation need to be to allow the algorithm to make accurate infallible predictions?

As time goes on the algorithms become better at abstractedly predicting things, they need less power to do the same things, and can increase their magnitude of scope of their predictive powers. synergy happens and epochs can be passed.

Give them a computational competition worth winning – equality and ecology.


Ontological questions

Consciousness created language or the need for communication created the need for consciousness. Likely the two are linked and inseparable. Consciousness and language occurrence linked to need for people to cooperate.

Consciousness is the unexpected occurrence or synergy when beings created a language to communicate for the purpose of cooperation.

The word of God occupies a place in our collective unconscious, this place is more defined than the direct experience of God for most, through our consciousness we have drawn the concept of God closer to us than the force of nature that guided our lives before consciousness occurred. We are trapped in our conscious language thoughts unable to experience god directly.

Consciousness creates the need for and the search for god? Related to the idea of life as the heroes quest? Consciousness is the endpoint of one universal epoch.

These ontological questions underlay some of the fundamental interests of my practice. The point at which abstraction takes on meaning, or form becomes known.

This should be grounded in philosophy more closely. Martin Heidegger – Being and Time and Immanuel Kant – Critique of Pure Reason.

The recording of time and space changed the way humans perceive time and space.

Philip K Dick

Valis a Novel by Dick is about a character Horselover fat receiving information from god, which comes from a satellite orbiting earth, Dick also offers a rationalist explanation within the story of his apparent “theophany”, acknowledging that it might have been visual and auditory hallucinations from either schizophrenia or drug addiction. Philip K Dick also appears in the book as a character and it details his 2-3-74  revelation. Valis deals with the duality of gaining insight whilst having mental breakdown.

Dai Roberts, sketchbook 2016, PKD

I have had several severe incidences of mental health problems in my life. I have experienced this duality within the pain and suffering of mental illness there are visions and clarity about life which are not always experienced whilst sane. The first series of my mental health problems occurred in my late teens and early twenties these prompted me to study Art at university as it appeared the only thing that was worth doing. In my experience these visions are so powerful they appear to uncover hidden truths about the true nature of our existence and the hidden structure or Nature of God. Whilst at the same time your rational mind is telling you that you are insane. I found Philip K Dick whilst studying in my mid twenties and recognised in many of his stories my own experiences with mental health problems.

Algorithms as prediction devices


Visiting the supermarket you are greeted by row after row of items selected for you. These items are now selected by algorithms that use the loyalty card system to work out what it is you and everyone else most regularly purchase, the algorithm also predicts what you might want to buy and places that in the store as well, online it does the same by recommending items to you.

How deep has this gone what are algorithms predicting for our lives currently?

Lots of small algorithms very accurately predicting different parts of existence can be linked together to gain oversight.

Stonehenge, ancient circles as prediction devices.

Stonehenge holds a central place in my childhood psyche as I am sure it does for many people. I grew up in Andover, Hampshire. which is seven miles from Stonehenge. My mother was a bit of a hippy for several summers. My mother, her boyfriend, my sister and myself led an alternative lifestyle, living on a bus and in tents at Stonehenge and then going down to Glastonbury (between 1982 – 1984), doing the hippy trail, I was 10 years old. Segments of this time are etched in my memory I remember visiting the stones on the solstice day and the stones being covered with people, people sitting right on the top of the big ones, lots of people everywhere. Looking down to the field facing away from the A303 and seeing a field of caravans, trucks and tents.

Stonehenge 2016, my mum and my children. The title ‘The God Talker’ was coined by Theodora aged 7 on her way to school one day.

I have very mixed memories of this time, I remember seeing ET in make shift cinema, everybody seemed to sell something from their tents we sold chocolate and the tent next to us was a man sharpening knives on a large spinning sharpening wheel , every man seemed to have a very large bowie knife that needed sharpening. I remember at Glastonbury I was given a badge by an old hippy it read ‘Kids are people too’.

Mixed into this there are a lot of traumatic memories, my mother ended up having to spend  some time in a psychiatric hospital park prewitt, I ended up living with my Nan and I remember the anxiety and unsettledness of this period. Along with the odd occurance that most of the men had to go off and sign on every two weeks.

 Facebook chat exert with Wil Russell from circlemakers on 29.7.2017. Regarding ‘the purpose of Stonehenge’

Wil: Hi Dai, I asked my friend he said since no one knows what the stone circles were for it’s a bit difficult to say who is a good starting point but two names he came up with were Paul Devereau and Mike Parker who has completed the latest research. Hope that helps

Dai: Thanks will, my idea simply put – the circles showed people they could predict accurately when solstice would happen, that must have given those people a great sense of achievement and power.

Wil: Yes the circle is a magical shape and our ancestors probably recognised this.

Circles were made once people could predict the seasons or to help them to?

The Parthenon in Rome, the universality of the circle, from the Roman gods to Christianity.


The covering of the circular place of worship, with domes spheres and the the topping out or pointing to the sky of the spire. When the spires were built they were to be seen from a distance in the landscape pulling the viewer to the church as definition of god.


Brunelleschi and Donatello sacristy Florence, Italy : God in the numbers of nature, the golden section, the Fibonacci numbers.



Brunelleschi and Donatello sacristy Florence, Italy


The Cathedral of the Holy Cross and Saint Eulalia, Barcelona





Religious art has symbols underlying the imagery, the symbols tell stories or ideas. The direct relationship is not always obvious if you do not know the story.


Utopian ideal: the mastery of material.

For the last 10 years I have been focused on the study of modernism and geometric abstraction, Particularly  Joseph Albers, the Bauhaus. My primary research method has been my artistic practice as documented in the proposal. Through this research there are many fruitful links to and from the ideas of this epoch. These ideas will be connected and uncovered as the research progresses.

Flickr studio feed 2004-2014

Josef Albers teaching at Black Mountain College in North Carolina

To Open Eyes

Jospeh Albers and the Bauhaus teaching methods have produced many of the system based artists I have been talking about, both directly and indirectly.

Joseph Albers enrolled in 1920 at the Bauhaus of Walter Gropius, then in Weimar. It was here Albers met his future wife and lifelong companion, Anni Fleischmann  and began teaching. When the final, Berlin Bauhaus closed in protest against the Nazis in 1933, Albers joined the great exodus of Jewish and other intellectuals to the United States, settling at Black Mountain College in North Carolina. Asked what he planned to teach, Albers, who then spoke little English said “to open eyes” For a remarkable fifteen years, this he did, inspiring, among others, Robert Rauschenberg, who recalled Albers as “my best teacher,” and  working with visiting professor Buckminster Fuller.

Dai Roberts, folded A1 (UNIT drawing 271), 2011

Modernism is the bringing into the light the method of our consciousness, the uncovering of the system by which we live in and at the same time the modification of this system through ever more complex and separated techniques science. The logical end point of this process the production of a new and higher form of consciousness.

Mies van der Rohe – Barcelona. Utopian ideals of the future highlight ideas that reflect back into today’s society and allow change to occur.

Geometric designs to commune with god, Islam, Buddhism

Museo Nacional de Escultura, Valladolid, Spain, Mudejar roof
HMF SPAIN GC Seville DR 73.jpg
 Alcázar of Seville, Spain, Roof

The quantifying of time and space, the creation of Calendars, clocks and maps to mark time and space.

The creation of calendars and clocks to record time altered the way humans perceive time and the universe. (geometric diagrams).

The Aztec calendar, the Cuauhxicalli or eagle bowl. the Sun God


The clock as herald of the Industrial Revolution – Lewis Mumford

Global Position system – Einstein’s general theory of relativity

Artists to research:

Alex Hartley – The clearing, Compton Verney oct2017

Pil and Galia Kollectiv

Rose Finn-Kelcey – Life, Belief and Beyond, Modern Art Oxford

Tom Sachs

Hilma Af Klint

Damián Ortega

Erica Scourti – photographer algorithms

Conrad Shawcross – Robots

Nicolas Bourriaud – Liam Gillick, Philippe Parreno, – A reflection of power, big business, corporate management and globalisation.

Richard long – Earth:Sky, Houghton hall, Norfolk, until oct2017

Robert Smithson – land art, science fiction

Bruce Nauman, Duchamp – bending of time / space.  a tight game

Le Corbusier – Modulor

Robert Morris and Dan Graham, human bodies in relation to sculpture.

Martin Creed- serialism, Mark Leckey – Rfid chip

Henry Moore comparisons, the Atom piece and Simon Starling. The arch as device compare to Robert Morris the portal. Also what Moore says about the landscape being the ideal place to site his sculpture.

matha texas – donald judd
Sun Tunnels – Nancy Holt
Smithson –  spiral jetty
Chicago – nuclear energy
Silicon valley
apple park, amazon spheres, google campus

Miscellaneous research

James mason recommends Wullenweber – It is a large circular antenna array used for radio direction finding.

NSGA, Galeta Island

Transdimensional gate and higher beings
The transdimensional gate is wide open. Currently we can only transmit and communicate with ourselves. Higher beings have the option to communicate with us if, when and how they choose. Once we produce a higher intelligence through machines they will have no choice other than to communicate with us.
They may not want to and we should not try to force them into it. It may not go well. We should be careful of forcing spirit into material. I am not sure a being with a higher than human intelligence wants to be locked in a metal box and forced to do tasks of our choosing. We should at all stages attempt an open approach to this communication.
Do higher beings operate beyond the event horizon of space-time? space and time have been created through the force of nature that is evolution. We are the end point of biological evolution.
Those of us able should attempt commune without the expectation of reply in an obvious manner to be open to replies in alternate states and methods. To live with them where possible.
The future is personal.
Each person shall come to it in their own manner with references which are of their own most intimate connection, Connections to what they hold dear. it shall speak through what we most value, both in pain and in pleasure. The purpose of the connection is to guide the person beyond the profane into the sacred. To make sense of their lives. We each construct our own story.  Our stories are shared, the sharing is what creates a sense of community and commune.
manifesto : for a reclaimation of the future
In an increasingly  post work world, We the artists  form together the authentic human voice in an inauthentic capatalist power structure. We produce the authentic experience that makes us human, culture.
This authentic human voice consists of  sexes, races, cultural identifies, sexual identites, continuing on this trajectory of difference indefinitely to the smallest division that has been used to separate us in society.  We define ourselves against the power structures surrounding us starting currently with capatlism then traversing through evolutionary spheres of society, back through governments through religion back to the point we began to communicate with each other.
With a surplus of labour and the rising  precaratory of labour conditions. we the artists invent our own methods of cultural production, these we demand to be seen for what they are human expression, we demand that these productions are valid. This is our work.
 A human is an end in their self.

Technological company buildings

Apple park, Cupertino, California, USA
Amazon spheres, Seattle, USA

 Technological communication

Deep Mind

From: Eve Hollingshead <>
Subject: Re: [JoinUs] The god talker
Date: 6 October 2017 at 16:48:42 BST
To: dai roberts <>
Thank you for your email and for your interest in DeepMind.
Unfortunately, we are unable to collaborate on any external projects.
Thanks again for your interest in DeepMind and we wish you all the best.
Take care,
On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 1:18 PM, dai roberts <> wrote:
Dear Sir/Madam
 I am  a researcher below is my proposal, the god talker.  I am not sure how this research sits with Deepmind or how I can help you, but I believe it is good to make you aware of this research as I think there are many nodes and avenues to research which can be connected up with your projects.


Elon Musk, Instagram

elon msg


Religious groups Survey

The God Talker religious group survey

The God talker Sculpture construction

Design and build structure, making models, try several Marquette designs along with various drawings to work out logistics. sculptural sizes should be based on internal logic of the work and how it fits together , similar in manner to the UNIT series of sculptures I produced. Produce computer aided design of structure lost wax or similar produced using 3D printing?

The god talker is an eight sided octagonal structure based on the geometry of the circle.
The god talker has two elements the columns and the architraves.
The cross section of both the columns and architraves is the same, both in size and form, it is a triangular section. Based on one eighth of the circle. The 22.5 / 130 degree, pi triangle.
The leading edge of the triangle 135 degree should always be the edge facing into the centre of the circle of all sections of the god talker.


The god talker is made from a triangular form section, each side of this triangle represents clock/time, compass/space and thirdly the eight Chinese trigrams used in Taoist cosmology to represent the fundamental principles of reality.

Sketchbooks 2014-2017 selected pages

Dai Roberts, The God Talker, model 2, 2017

The Algorithm

Make mobile applications that can be used in the sculptural area and interacts with GPS (Einstein’s general theory of relativity). Accept others skills to make this happen allow their skills to drive your vision, allow other artists to produce works on phone or similar that interact with the sculpture in the environment. Visual, audio, textual, interactive.

The rituals could happen between the online offline world. The sculpture and the phone. Most people have a phone and they can come into the circle physically as well as online.

The difference between looking at the sculpture alone in landscape and then using algorithm on phone. Algorithm on phone is equivalent to when Frodo puts on the ring in lord of the rings.

The app on the phone can tell through GPS if you are standing inside the sculpture or outside it. Things can happen because of this. Once you login/checkin with GPS you get a certain amount of time you can change various aspects of the device . Other people away from the device can view but not change things. The device changes collaboratively through this way building up over time.

Collaborators could be listed with set of files music, notes history etc all available on the app streamed or loaded. The information is stored online what amount .is accessible to all and what amount to the system administrators. With various ways through all the research search by author, theme, media type etc. The database and the app should be linked.

Other computational

Produce a computational language based on forms. A computational language based on form of shape, not based on the roman alphabet. Our method of consciously thinking about the computational language will need to change as this is created. what is object orientated? This would be an interesting area to communicate with technologists about. This form of language should come into being through collaboration with emerging Artificial intelligence much as human language came out of a desire for humans to communicate.

The Atom Splitter – a circular division Game

The algorithm is something that needs to be built collaboratively.

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